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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: gas prices Reply with quote

so much for the so called "boycott", originally gas prices were 3.08 here and now they are 3.40!!! shoot me now please Evil or Very Mad
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meh, deal with it. :/
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now thats what i call a "rice" car
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, I drive a Focus. Those things just do NOT get good gas mileage.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason the gas prices keep rising is rather ironic; it is becoming increasingly more difficult to refine petrol...because it takes quite a bit of gas to power the machines that do the refining. The more they refine the more gas they have to use to refine it and, thus the more money they have to recover by boosting the prices. Stupid government barred the companies from using their own petrol for free...they have to pay government tax on it just like everyone else. Mad
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I swear I cry everytime I go gas up, plus I need to drive to Jacksonville during the summer for college...this sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CyruzDraxs wrote:
The reason the gas prices keep rising is rather ironic; it is becoming increasingly more difficult to refine petrol...because it takes quite a bit of gas to power the machines that do the refining. The more they refine the more gas they have to use to refine it and, thus the more money they have to recover by boosting the prices. Stupid government barred the companies from using their own petrol for free...they have to pay government tax on it just like everyone else. Mad


The reason the gas prices keep rising is because they are being used to keep
the economy afloat. (This can't work for long. Rolling Eyes )
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CyruzDraxs wrote:
The reason the gas prices keep rising is rather ironic; it is becoming increasingly more difficult to refine petrol...because it takes quite a bit of gas to power the machines that do the refining. The more they refine the more gas they have to use to refine it and, thus the more money they have to recover by boosting the prices. Stupid government barred the companies from using their own petrol for free...they have to pay government tax on it just like everyone else. Mad


lol not sure where you heard that. If youre interested in the nature of the oil market i recommend this piece about peak oil.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/index.htm
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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CyruzDraxs wrote:
The reason the gas prices keep rising is rather ironic; it is becoming increasingly more difficult to refine petrol...because it takes quite a bit of gas to power the machines that do the refining. The more they refine the more gas they have to use to refine it and, thus the more money they have to recover by boosting the prices. Stupid government barred the companies from using their own petrol for free...they have to pay government tax on it just like everyone else. Mad


lol not sure where you heard that. If youre interested in the nature of the oil market i recommend this piece about peak oil.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/index.htm


hes right
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oil is not gas. Wink

Oil prices are an entirely different matter.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CyruzDraxs wrote:
oil is not gas. Wink

Oil prices are an entirely different matter.


Most oils burn in air generating heat which can be used directly or converted into other forms of energy in the usual ways. Oils are used as fuels for heating, lighting (e.g. kerosene lamp), powering combustion engines, and other purposes. Oils used for this purpose nowadays are usually derived from petroleum.

gas is an oil. vegetable oil and synthetic oils are a completely different matter. Essential oils are different. We're talking about petroleum.

edit: also there are seven continents on earth. fyi
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm for e85
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said there was a shortage of oil, nor did I say that oil was at all hard to get...I said the refinement process to make petrol was expensive and difficult. Also, what I said about gas not being oil is sort of true...though not necessarily worded especially well. >.> Gas prices are not really all that related to oil prices. Oil, by the barrel, is cheaper than it has ever been before when inflation is accounted for. However; at the pump it is much more expensive because of the cost of refinement process, the middle man of gas stations and the taxing imposed by the government (which I might add is different her in Canada). The government, atleast in Canada, has been working hard to drop the gas prices, however; foreign gas remains expensive because Canada's efforts don't really effect the countries the foreign gas comes from, so it's still costing them quite a bit to refine petrol.

There has been a very large movement of refinement operations in Northern BC lately. Canadian operated gas stations that use Canadian gas tend to average as much as 10 cents cheaper and are visibly dropping while the foreign operated gas stations get more expensive. In Vancouver there is a PetroCan right across the street from a Shell that I have seen a 24 cent difference on.

My step father manages an oil field outside Prince Rupert in Northern BC...there is a hell of a lot of oil there, and they are very involved in the sustainability movement that has grown rapidly in popularity in Vancouver. The refinery my step father runs is actually powered 80% by hydro-electric systems. If you've ever been to the Sustainable Cities Convention or GlobeCon in Vancouver you would see that there is a tremendous amount of projects underway to reduce costs of gas and reach a more sustainable state of business among many other very major "green" developments.

At this point, however; we simply can't afford to make gas much cheaper than it is, unless the government is willing to cut taxes, because it just costs too much to fund an out-dated, inefficient refinement process and pay for such significant R&D at the same time.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I never said there was a shortage of oil, nor did I say that oil was at all hard to get...I said the refinement process to make petrol was expensive and difficult. Also, what I said about gas not being oil is sort of true...though not necessarily worded especially well. >.> Gas prices are not really all that related to oil prices. Oil, by the barrel, is cheaper than it has ever been before when inflation is accounted for. However; at the pump it is much more expensive because of the cost of refinement process, the middle man of gas stations and the taxing imposed by the government (which I might add is different her in Canada). The government, atleast in Canada, has been working hard to drop the gas prices, however; foreign gas remains expensive because Canada's efforts don't really effect the countries the foreign gas comes from, so it's still costing them quite a bit to refine petrol.

There has been a very large movement of refinement operations in Northern BC lately. Canadian operated gas stations that use Canadian gas tend to average as much as 10 cents cheaper and are visibly dropping while the foreign operated gas stations get more expensive. In Vancouver there is a PetroCan right across the street from a Shell that I have seen a 24 cent difference on.

My step father manages an oil field outside Prince Rupert in Northern BC...there is a hell of a lot of oil there, and they are very involved in the sustainability movement that has grown rapidly in popularity in Vancouver. The refinery my step father runs is actually powered 80% by hydro-electric systems. If you've ever been to the Sustainable Cities Convention or GlobeCon in Vancouver you would see that there is a tremendous amount of projects underway to reduce costs of gas and reach a more sustainable state of business among many other very major "green" developments.

At this point, however; we simply can't afford to make gas much cheaper than it is, unless the government is willing to cut taxes, because it just costs too much to fund an out-dated, inefficient refinement process and pay for such significant R&D at the same time.


That really makes no sense. You cant pay a direct tax on your own personal property. That's unconstitutional. Paying for the crude oil if they dont mine it themselves I could see possibly but once it is in their possession and they refine it themselves, who can step in and tell them to pay a tax on their own refined oil?

The reasons gas prices fluctuate and are on the rise are economic. firstly, the dollar is plunging. second, there is less free market in the industry. Fewer companies own more of the market's share. It's monopoly at best. Even if you overlook their dishonest nature, the simple fact is there is just not enough competition to keep the prices low anymore. And if you dont think companies that share global interests dont use dishonest tactics in concert, i got a bridge to sell you on the surface of the moon.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tekka wrote:
CyruzDraxs wrote:
I never said there was a shortage of oil, nor did I say that oil was at all hard to get...I said the refinement process to make petrol was expensive and difficult. Also, what I said about gas not being oil is sort of true...though not necessarily worded especially well. >.> Gas prices are not really all that related to oil prices. Oil, by the barrel, is cheaper than it has ever been before when inflation is accounted for. However; at the pump it is much more expensive because of the cost of refinement process, the middle man of gas stations and the taxing imposed by the government (which I might add is different her in Canada). The government, atleast in Canada, has been working hard to drop the gas prices, however; foreign gas remains expensive because Canada's efforts don't really effect the countries the foreign gas comes from, so it's still costing them quite a bit to refine petrol.

There has been a very large movement of refinement operations in Northern BC lately. Canadian operated gas stations that use Canadian gas tend to average as much as 10 cents cheaper and are visibly dropping while the foreign operated gas stations get more expensive. In Vancouver there is a PetroCan right across the street from a Shell that I have seen a 24 cent difference on.

My step father manages an oil field outside Prince Rupert in Northern BC...there is a hell of a lot of oil there, and they are very involved in the sustainability movement that has grown rapidly in popularity in Vancouver. The refinery my step father runs is actually powered 80% by hydro-electric systems. If you've ever been to the Sustainable Cities Convention or GlobeCon in Vancouver you would see that there is a tremendous amount of projects underway to reduce costs of gas and reach a more sustainable state of business among many other very major "green" developments.

At this point, however; we simply can't afford to make gas much cheaper than it is, unless the government is willing to cut taxes, because it just costs too much to fund an out-dated, inefficient refinement process and pay for such significant R&D at the same time.


That really makes no sense. You cant pay a direct tax on your own personal property. That's unconstitutional. Paying for the crude oil if they dont mine it themselves I could see possibly but once it is in their possession and they refine it themselves, who can step in and tell them to pay a tax on their own refined oil?

The reasons gas prices fluctuate and are on the rise are economic. firstly, the dollar is plunging. second, there is less free market in the industry. Fewer companies own more of the market's share. It's monopoly at best. Even if you overlook their dishonest nature, the simple fact is there is just not enough competition to keep the prices low anymore. And if you dont think companies that share global interests dont use dishonest tactics in concert, i got a bridge to sell you on the surface of the moon.


The constitution doesn't effect us up here in Canada, I never said it was right that they are taxed up here...just said that's how it is. Also, the comment on the dollar dropping doesn't effect Canada either...our dollar is rising.

It's actually expected that we will soon be supplying the US with gas as, with our dropping gas prices, it may soon actually become cheaper in the US to import gas, despite trade taxes Canada imposes, than to buy American gas (that includes American-owned gas from foreign countries).

Several American oil companies have attempted to take control of the oil fields in BC, but that violates recent laws that Canada has put in place to disallow foreign business access to natural resources in our country.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: gas prices Reply with quote

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so much for the so called "boycott", originally gas prices were 3.08 here and now they are 3.40!!! shoot me now please Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: gas prices Reply with quote

Tekka wrote:
miler455 wrote:
so much for the so called "boycott", originally gas prices were 3.08 here and now they are 3.40!!! shoot me now please Evil or Very Mad


isnt that the price per a liter in europe?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only imagine what it is now! Rolling Eyes
We're just over $4.00 a gallon in Pennsylvania right now, and they're saying $5.50 by December Exclamation

Right now the chief cause of rising gas prices is the devaluation of the dollar in the USA.
"Peak Oil" has been shown to be an erroneous belief, but what Dracus said about refining being a problem is right on.
(I hope everyone is getting around as well as they need to.)
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